Whining you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.
She writes:
Listening to some gay groups, however, you'd think we were still living in an age when being gay was punishable by death and the merest hint of anything untoward in a chap's private life was enough to bring the world crashing down around his oppressed ears.
Thus it is that, with publication of the long-awaited Civil Partnership Bill due any day now, and the Cabinet set to discuss the issue this week (assuming, that is, that they're not too busy jostling for position in the new world created by Bertie's departure), some gay groups are still eager to find fault with the proposed changes.
I might remind Ms. O'Hanlon that the "long awaited Civil Partnership Bill" will not appear "any day now", but rather what will emerge is the Heads of a Bill. Even then, when asked about when this will be put before the Dáil in Question time last week, the following was the response from Government circles:
Deputy Eamon Gilmore: The second matter I wish to raise concerns the civil unions Bill, on which a report is being prepared by the Government. I recall that when the Labour Party's Civil Unions Bill was before the House it was promised that the heads of the Government's legislation would be published at the end of February or in March - I will not quibble about the month. Is it still intended to publish the heads of the legislation and when will we have sight of them?
The Tánaiste: On the civil partnership Bill, it was stated in the Dáil that the Minister would bring his proposals to the Government by the end of March. He has met that deadline. The proposed scheme draws on the options identified by the working group on domestic partnership, under the chairmanship of Ms Anne Colley, and the recommendations of the Law Reform Commission in its report on the rights and duties of cohabitants. The scheme will propose a statutory civil registration scheme for same sex partners and a redress scheme to provide certain legal protections for them and other cohabitants. I understand the heads of the Bill are being drafted but I cannot give an exact date for publication.
Deputy Eamon Gilmore: When will we see the Bill?
Deputy Brendan Howlin: What is the reason for the delay?
The Tánaiste: We will deal with the Bill this year.
Deputy Brendan Howlin: Were the heads of the Bill brought to the Government?
The Tánaiste: No, they are being drafted. The Minister said in the Dáil that he would bring his proposals on how to address this issue to the Government. That was done.
Via: Dail Transcript Records
Ms. O'Hanlon continues her tirrade by stating that there is little or no difference between Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriage and the Gay Lobby is merely looking for anything to complain about.
Debating the distinction between the two is, for most observers, about as satisfying as listening to a couple of theologians arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, but if you're spending your days campaigning for gay marriage then I suppose you have to find something, anything, to complain about or your life of single-issue advocacy might start to look startlingly empty
- Civil Marriage is not a religious event. It is a state sanctioned event. You cannot get married in this country without State Santion. Thankfully that little "thorny Jesuitical difference[s]" has always been the case.
- Marriage is constitutionally protected and as such affords more protections to relationships than Civil Partnership ever will.
- Civil Partnership legislation will mean the changing of every piece of legislation across the spectrum in order to include it. Why would you put yourself through that, when instead all you have to do is introduce a single piece of legislation to lift the ban on Same-Sex Marriage?
This was a Lansdowne Survey, who are responsible for alot of polls within the Irish context on all manners of issues from elections, building regulations, government satisfaction ratings. It is independently done. Indenpendently Verififed and on foot of other polls done in recent years.
- Feb 06: Irish Examiner RedC poll: 51% of the national population in favour of gay unions/marriages .
- Oct 06: Sunday Tribune Milward Brown IMS: 64% believe that same-sex couples should have the same legal and financial rights as married couples.
- Nov 06: Lansdowne Market Research for GLEN:
- 84% in favour of civil marriage or civil partnership
- 51% believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.
- 33% believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to form civil partnerships.
- Mar 08: Lansdowne Market Research for MarriagEquality:
- 84% in favour of civil marriage or civil partnership.
- 58% believe that gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to marry in a registry office.
- 26% believe that gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to form civil partnerships
- 61% agree that is unfair that gay men and women are excluded from getting married in a registry office.
I have said it here before and I will say it again. I nor anybody else involved in LGBT politics are looking for nothing except that which has been denied heretofore. Partial Equality is not Equality. Equality is not qualified and if it has to be qualified, then it is not equality and neither is it Ms' O'Hanlon a stepping stone to Equality but rather a method by which the crumbs are fed out from the Masters' table.
Whilst I accept her comments that we are not " living in an age when being gay was punishable by death and the merest hint of anything untoward in a chap's private life was enough to bring the world crashing down around his oppressed ears", this is the case here in Ireland; It most assuredly not the case across the world where identifying as LGBT is punishable by death in some parts of the world. One only has to look at the recent press coverage of the Iranian Youth who faced deportation from the UK and probable execution upon his return.
I would ask Ms. O'Hanlon if all her rights were taken in the morning and she was offered only half of them back, would she accept just that half and forget about the others in the hope that she would eventually get the others back? Apparently she would. Personally I do not have the same level of faith within the current Irish Democratic sphere as Ms. O'Hanlon appears to have.
Labels: Eilis O'Hanlon, Gays, Inclusion Ireland, Iran, Labour LGBT, MarriagEquality, Sindo, Stop whining, Sunday Independent, take whats on offer
1 Comments:
here here john,shes talking like we live in a country where everyone embraces LGBT people...its so far from the truth! the bill will make sure that gay couples are still second-class citizens, and as u said thats just not good enough! she hasnt got a clue that one!
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